Exactly how 'great' was Peter?
Sometime last year, I stumbled across a myspace profile that rather fascinated me...an American who was proclaiming that he was rather enjoying being a 'Hooker'. I sent him an initial email saying that I hoped that he meant that he was a hooker of the rugby variety rather than the 'working guy' type as I would very much like to chat with him and bearing in mind that I have been to many rugby matches in my time but only visited a small number of male prostitutes, I felt that this would give us rather more to talk about. He replied with a *laugh* saying that although he did love rugby (what a coincidence...I adore rugby!) he was a 'Hooker' of the Chinook helicopter variety..he never did reply to my question about whether or not he is also a 'man of the night' but I'm assuming not :) We exchanged a series of long, rambling emails that touched upon many weird and wonderful subjects. As we chatted, we stumbled upon many common interests and passions, one of which was a shared love of Russian history. We had planned to discuss this and many subjects during his trip over here in November but somehow we never did manage to get round to all things Russian (FAR too busy yelling at each other about politics as we wandered through the streets of London and far too busy chatting about an assortment of other random drivel the rest of the time). Anyway, we have recently decided to pick up this thread and have chosen the subject of Peter The Great as out first port of call. Over the past few days, we've discussed how to conduct this debate over a rather large ocean and a whole continent and we have decided to do it through a series of posts on here. I'm yet to be convinced about how this will work but am always game to try new things so here goes..
Peter The Great ruled Russia from 1682 to 1725, although he did not gain sole control of the country until 1694 (such was Peter's long and often tortuous route to power that we could discuss the events of the period from 1682 to 1694 as a subject in their own right..and maybe we shall!). During his time in power, Russia went through what I would suggest was one of the most dramatic and far-reaching periods of change in its history, second only to the events of the years following the revolutions of 1917 in terms of impact and far-reaching consequences.
Much of the historical debate that surrounds Peter and his time in control of Russia is based around an analysis of just how 'great' he was. This subject, along with more general analysis of his reign, has always totally polarised opinion and Peter has been proclaimed, both by his contemporaries and by historians throughout the centuries since his death, as either a virtually super-human hero or as the Antichrist. He is seen by many as the great moderniser of Russia, the architect of a Russia based on a western model of government, an outstanding war time leader and military commander, a reformer of state, military, education and religion and the designer of a society built around the concept of a meritocracy, in an age where traditionally birth right and breeding were considered to be the main determinents of success. Of course, any period of such dramatic change will always come at a cost and can only be achieved to the detriment of those with either a vested interest in the 'old order' or those who will bear the financial burden that inevitably accompanies such all-encompassing reform.
Many liberals of the time revered Peter and saw him as a champion of light against darkness, as the leader who had single-mindedly dragged Russia away from its isolationist Muscovite past and into an era where she was aligning herself much more with was was viewed as a more enlightened and progressive west. Those who vilified Peter were those whom he had either fiscally over-burdened or who were brutally subjugated to pave the way for his reforms. Under his rule the Strestsy, the elite Russian military corps founded by Ivan the Terrible to defend and protect the tsar, were eventually disbanded after taking part in a plot to over-throw Peter, but not until after over a thousand of its ranks were tortured and then executed, their mangled bodies put on public display as a warning to any others who were thinking of standing in Peter's way. Later in his reign, he sanctioned the torture and execution of his own son and it is recorded that on other occasions Peter was more than willing to carry out the role of executioner himself. In order to pay for his reforms of the military, the building of St Petersburg, his military campaigns and other measures, he raised taxation dramatically, with the lowest members of society, the serfs or slaves, often bearing the brunt of the burden.
I shall leave my final conclusions about how I would view Peter's reign in terms of 'greatness' until I've had a chance to chew the fat with Jeff and look in more detail at a lot of the issues discussed above. I'm thinking though that my verdict will fall somewhere in the middle and will to a large extent echo those of the writer Pushkin, who recognised the brilliance and necessity of Peter's reforms but who lamented the human price that was paid in order to instigate them.
Ah the Romanovs. Interesting choice. Yes he should probably be called Peter the not so great. I just love his habit of forcing women into a convent. First wife, "I don't want to be married any longer, you must become a nun." Half sister Sophia, whom he saw as a great threat, was forced to become a nun as well. I for one do not believe he died after saving some soldiers from icy waters. It would be so out of character for him. I wonder who he threatened to leave that tall tale behind.
ReplyDeleteI think that Sophia was actually rather fortunate, given the age in which she lived, to be sent to a convent. I see this more of an example of the compassionate side of Peter - not only was she 'seen as a great threat' but she had already led a successful rebellion of the Streltsy in 1682 in which many members of Peter's family, the Naryshkins, were murdered (many of the murders being personally witnessed by Peter). After this, Peter became a 'junior' tsar with Sophia's brother Ivan the main ruler. Peter and his family were effectively kept away from power, while Sophia ruled as regent. It was in 1689, when Sophia tried to take control as ruler in her own right, again using the Streltsy and members of her family, the Miloslavskys, (Peter heard of the plot and escaped in the dead of night) that she was 'encouraged' to join a convent. Rather a light punishment considering the fate that befell the others involved in the rebellion. Peter's first wife, Eudoxia, had sympathised with the rebels and because of this suffered the same convent fate as Sophia.
ReplyDeleteNobody is certain of what it was that led to a worsening of the bladders problems that he had suffered from for years. I don't believe that it would have been particularly out of character for him to have come to the rescue of soldiers, but no serious historians directly attribute his death to the stories of his jumping waist deep into the icy waters of this tale. When he died on 28th January 1725, he had been lying ill in bed for a couple of weeks. Modern pathologists have looked closely at the symptoms that he is described as suffering from in his final days and it seems likely that he had some prostate issues and possible gangrene of his bladder. His death is very well documented.
I had a teacher in high school for World History that was obsessed with Russia and Japan. We didn't learn about anything else the entire year, so I know about everything you have posted. Yes I know about his death. A shame really how easy his bladder issues would have been resolved with today's medicine.
ReplyDeleteI've always been fascinated with Russian history and was lucky enough for my university tutor to be a leading scholar in the field. We debated and discussed so many interesting subjects in my seminar group and I very almost did a masters in the subject. Russian was the only history that I did in depth study on throughout my degree, as it was the country that I chose to study throughout the whole of its history. The rest of the work I did was on modern European history, with a large emphasis on fascism.
ReplyDeleteHey, Fascism! State control of the means of production and daily life...isn't that what we're getting over here? No, no - Fascism includes a heapin' helpin' of Nationalism...we've just got plain old Communism...Ah well.
ReplyDelete*ahem*
Now then - I'm more of a Pushkin fan m'self when it comes to Peter. Looking at the man's accomplishments - especially the longevity of them! - I don't think it's possible to argue whether or not he deserves the appellation 'Great'. He was.
The question comes down to his methods. Is this a case of 'the ends justify the means' or one where there was, realistically, no other way to accomplish those goals? And let's also put his actions in to a societal and temporal context - were they out of line with the norms?
While his actions today would be deplorable, in that time and that place, I don't think they were that far out of what was normal. It surely sucked if you were a serf, but life wasn't exactly rosy for ANYONE in that position anywhere - especially if you were Jewish.
An awful lot of people were fleeing even the enlightened West at that time for points further West; And they'd later not care much for high taxation either...
Orion
Ok, so your little initial outburst aside, it would seem that we are actually singing from the same sheet here.
ReplyDeleteOne of the main things to be taken into account is any historical analysis is the time and context in which it took place. To use contemporary definitions of morality and integrity are often extremely misleading and can lead to severely erroneous conclusions.
Opinions were completely polarised pretty much until Pushkin seriously tried to find an answer to the very question that you posed..while fully accepting the necessity for the reforms and the longevity of the benefits derived from them, he did question whether the human toll was justifiable.
I too don't believe that there can be any doubt about the validity of the "great" moniker but did the ends justify the means? I seriously can't see that there were any alternative means by which to be able to achieve such dramatic reform in such a short time frame. Kinda tough if you were a serf, had a propensity for beards or were an 'old believer'..if you had a bee hive fetish you were also likely to be rather pissed at Peter's innovative taxation methods.
People fleeing even further west? You mean people were flocking to the Falkland Islands? Was it to see the penguins?
Hehehe...'Outburst'...Humph...I would've thought 'reasoned commentary' would've been more accurate...
ReplyDeleteAnd see, that lack of context is the current form of popular historical revisionism that has just driven me NUTS.
Puffins! It was the PUFFINS in the Falklands!
Now then, on to that 'cost'...I'm seriously wondering if Russia would've survived at all without those reforms - if, in fact, the country would've been gobbled up by stronger, more modern empires along Russia's borders. Wouldn't the long-term costs of that have been even greater?
Orion
Oh yes my dear man..I'm afraid to tell you that your initial comment (everything north of the 'ahem') definitely comes under the banner of a little outburst. No worries though...it added to the flavo(U)r somewhat :)
ReplyDeleteHistorical revisionism that attempts to isolate any event from it's context is extremely annoying to me too. It's something to be taken into account in every single assessment or critique of any piece of history. Once we establish a 'norm' for any era then we can truly begin to form valid arguments about a whole raft of behaviours and issues. One of the most fascinating events in history that I think illustrates the point is in Elizabeth's signing of the death warrant of her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots. There is so much to be taken into account here - the closeness of the family relationship of cousin in that era, the degree of conspiracy that existed against Elizabeth and the serious threat it posed, the 'norm' of the death penalty for treason...and all of this is before even beginning to look into the actual personalities involved. The same argument can, of course, be applied to Peter and his signing of the death warrant on his son and the same questions would need to be asked here too in order to make any useful judgement.
Yes I think you're right about the 'cost' being justified too. We know that Russia came very close to defeat at the hands of Sweden in the Great Northern War and there was also the constant threat from The Turkish Empire. Poland used to sniff around quite a bit too....bloody Poles..and of course Prussia has since been known to be partial to a little border changing mischief!
I see all of Peter's reforms as vital to Russia beginning to take its place in the world order...military, governmental, fiscal, administrative, religious, educational and legal reforms, as well as huge city building projects not only made Russia stronger but gave out that message to the rest of Europe.
I'm wondering if we can begin to imagine how the destiny of the whole of Europe may have changed had Peter not made Russia the power that she became...do you hear, perhaps, the echoing patter of horses hooves riding ever northwards and westwards from the Ottoman Empire?
Oh and puffins? Shut up already!! Are you seriously trying to tell me that the freaking puffins with their oh-so-fancy beaks and their show off ability to actually FLY are the real reason for the mass emigration to the Falklands? Not the penguins at all? Pffbbbttt..call yourself a Bert? HA!